Episode 9.

Emma McGordon is an award-winning poet, performer and community artist. Her many awards and nominations include the 2017 Julia Darling Award from New Writing North and the longlist for the National Poetry Award 2019.

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Ian Walker was also longlisted for the National Poetry Award 2019 and was the Apprentice Poet-in-Residence for the Ilkley Literature Festival 2018. He received his MFA in Poetry from the Writing School at MMU.

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Mark Pajak guest co-hosts.